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		<title>By: kjbishop</title>
		<link>http://kjbishop.net/2009/12/20/and-here-we-go-again.html/comment-page-1#comment-21308</link>
		<dc:creator>kjbishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 13:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the best tactic with those people is to forget the technical facts and remind them that this legislation will give this and any future government the power to block any website it wants to.

I miss the dems too, and I worry that the greens will go the same way when Brown goes the way of Chipp. I hope that doesn&#039;t happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the best tactic with those people is to forget the technical facts and remind them that this legislation will give this and any future government the power to block any website it wants to.</p>
<p>I miss the dems too, and I worry that the greens will go the same way when Brown goes the way of Chipp. I hope that doesn&#8217;t happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Penny</title>
		<link>http://kjbishop.net/2009/12/20/and-here-we-go-again.html/comment-page-1#comment-21307</link>
		<dc:creator>Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much of it is intelligence and how much of it is addiction to torrenting/questionable websites I do not know... ;)

I think a big problem is that most people don&#039;t understand why a mandatory ISP-level filter is a bad thing, and it&#039;s very difficult to get them to pay enough attention to explain it. From some online discussions I&#039;ve seen, quite a few people instantly go &quot;oh so you like child porn do you!!!&quot; when arguments against the filter are brought up. :/

I miss the Democrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much of it is intelligence and how much of it is addiction to torrenting/questionable websites I do not know&#8230; <img src='http://kjbishop.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think a big problem is that most people don&#8217;t understand why a mandatory ISP-level filter is a bad thing, and it&#8217;s very difficult to get them to pay enough attention to explain it. From some online discussions I&#8217;ve seen, quite a few people instantly go &#8220;oh so you like child porn do you!!!&#8221; when arguments against the filter are brought up. :/</p>
<p>I miss the Democrats.</p>
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		<title>By: kjbishop</title>
		<link>http://kjbishop.net/2009/12/20/and-here-we-go-again.html/comment-page-1#comment-21305</link>
		<dc:creator>kjbishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t like political parties in general -- they get caught up in ideology and lose interest in facts. If the greens were actually in power, I don&#039;t know what they&#039;d be like -- I mean, look at how Peter Garrett turned out. But I vote for them, as Don Chipp used to say, &quot;to keep the bastards honest&quot;. And because I love nature and would like for it not to be shat upon. Good on you if you&#039;re going to stand as an indie. Stand for truth, go on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like political parties in general &#8212; they get caught up in ideology and lose interest in facts. If the greens were actually in power, I don&#8217;t know what they&#8217;d be like &#8212; I mean, look at how Peter Garrett turned out. But I vote for them, as Don Chipp used to say, &#8220;to keep the bastards honest&#8221;. And because I love nature and would like for it not to be shat upon. Good on you if you&#8217;re going to stand as an indie. Stand for truth, go on.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://kjbishop.net/2009/12/20/and-here-we-go-again.html/comment-page-1#comment-21302</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 10:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel that We as australians need another party, not the toothless tigers that is the greens, I am tired of Cairman Rudd, and Mad Monk does not sit well with me. 
Turnbull was a bastard who couldn&#039;t lead at all sadly I am hoping for one of 2 things happen and both are messy and complicated either a giant space rock lands on all the liberal and labour party leaders or John Howard comes back. I never liked him as a leader but he wasn&#039;t a complete dick head

If it makes you feel any better or worse I plan on setting up as an idipendant who wont give a preference vote. I checked I can do that.

I will stand for truth, or open corruption</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel that We as australians need another party, not the toothless tigers that is the greens, I am tired of Cairman Rudd, and Mad Monk does not sit well with me.<br />
Turnbull was a bastard who couldn&#8217;t lead at all sadly I am hoping for one of 2 things happen and both are messy and complicated either a giant space rock lands on all the liberal and labour party leaders or John Howard comes back. I never liked him as a leader but he wasn&#8217;t a complete dick head</p>
<p>If it makes you feel any better or worse I plan on setting up as an idipendant who wont give a preference vote. I checked I can do that.</p>
<p>I will stand for truth, or open corruption</p>
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		<title>By: kjbishop</title>
		<link>http://kjbishop.net/2009/12/20/and-here-we-go-again.html/comment-page-1#comment-21301</link>
		<dc:creator>kjbishop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 09:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue of slow connections for country users is another reason for the Liberals to vote against this legislation -- or for their senators to turn it down, even if it gets through the lower house -- since they and their coalition partners, the National party, rely on rural electorates for a big chunk of their vote.

If the Labor party really do make this an election issue, it might actually backfire in a good way; worried voters might elect more Greens (who occupy the socially liberal position lately vacated by Labor) to the Senate.

Yes, I&#039;m kidding about schooling for girls. It&#039;s awfully hard to believe that the gov&#039;t really wants to risk the ire of the majority to go after a few odd folk on the religious fringe, which is why I wonder whether I&#039;m wrong about the majority opinion these days. It&#039;s good to hear that aghastness is being voiced -- but if you&#039;re hanging with Penny&#039;s friends, they&#039;re probably all intelligent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue of slow connections for country users is another reason for the Liberals to vote against this legislation &#8212; or for their senators to turn it down, even if it gets through the lower house &#8212; since they and their coalition partners, the National party, rely on rural electorates for a big chunk of their vote.</p>
<p>If the Labor party really do make this an election issue, it might actually backfire in a good way; worried voters might elect more Greens (who occupy the socially liberal position lately vacated by Labor) to the Senate.</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m kidding about schooling for girls. It&#8217;s awfully hard to believe that the gov&#8217;t really wants to risk the ire of the majority to go after a few odd folk on the religious fringe, which is why I wonder whether I&#8217;m wrong about the majority opinion these days. It&#8217;s good to hear that aghastness is being voiced &#8212; but if you&#8217;re hanging with Penny&#8217;s friends, they&#8217;re probably all intelligent.</p>
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		<title>By: Alankria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alankria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 04:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*I still &lt;em&gt;can&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; believe.

LOL typing fail</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*I still <em>can&#8217;t</em> believe.</p>
<p>LOL typing fail</p>
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		<title>By: Alankria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alankria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 04:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone I know over here is D= D= D= D= at the internet filter.  They&#039;re also D= D= D= D= at Abbott, and I imagine they&#039;ll sigh and vote Rudd because, like you say, abortions, birth control and so on are nice things to have.  (Please tell me you are joking about the schooling for girls.)  

(I still can believe your Liberal party is so conservative.  MISNOMER, ANYONE?)

An extra level of stupidity is that, according to Penny, actual experts and saying, &quot;No, really, internet speed is really going to be affected.&quot;  Meanwhile the government insists no one&#039;ll notice the difference.  I can&#039;t help but suspect that, while broadband users will probably cope, those on dial-up in the countryside are going to have a hellish time.

Ludicrous and stupid and offensive and, seriously, how hard is it for parents to censor their own children&#039;s access, and for adults to use the internet with whichever level of care they choose.  Unless someone really thinks this is going to deter kiddy fiddlers, etc.  Which, uh, it&#039;s called IP proxy.  People are going to get around this quite easily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone I know over here is D= D= D= D= at the internet filter.  They&#8217;re also D= D= D= D= at Abbott, and I imagine they&#8217;ll sigh and vote Rudd because, like you say, abortions, birth control and so on are nice things to have.  (Please tell me you are joking about the schooling for girls.)  </p>
<p>(I still can believe your Liberal party is so conservative.  MISNOMER, ANYONE?)</p>
<p>An extra level of stupidity is that, according to Penny, actual experts and saying, &#8220;No, really, internet speed is really going to be affected.&#8221;  Meanwhile the government insists no one&#8217;ll notice the difference.  I can&#8217;t help but suspect that, while broadband users will probably cope, those on dial-up in the countryside are going to have a hellish time.</p>
<p>Ludicrous and stupid and offensive and, seriously, how hard is it for parents to censor their own children&#8217;s access, and for adults to use the internet with whichever level of care they choose.  Unless someone really thinks this is going to deter kiddy fiddlers, etc.  Which, uh, it&#8217;s called IP proxy.  People are going to get around this quite easily.</p>
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